Berger’s rapid growth as a popular game hunting bullet is due to producing consistently repeatable, successful results in the field. Barnes Proves Why Berger Hunting VLDs Work on Game. While not as heavy as many 6.5mm projectiles, the 127-grain Long Range Expanding (LRX) bullet is a monometal design. Barnes’ tests prove that their bullets still work the same as they always have and that our bullets perform exactly as we describe. A number of Highly experienced hunters who take shots at 1,000 yards do so fully aware of the risk and after much experience at that distance with the right gear that they know works. 6.5 Creedmoor Powder Minimum Maximum Charge (grains) Velocity (fps) Charge (grains) Velocity (fps) Big Game 38.4 2659 42.6 2881 A-2700 39.4 2645 43.7 2916 Handloader Magazine often prints their test results in which Barnes TSX bullets produce accuracy results that are just as good, if not better than match-grade bullets. (I accept that the other brands may have slower velocities at which they can still work but if impact velocity is much slower than 1,800 fps kinetic energy falls below generally recommended levels). This level of performance is unlikely with anything less than Match Grade quality hunting bullets. Ask any serious 1,000 yard competitive target shooter if they would use any Barnes bullets in a match and see what they say. When loading a Barnes TSX, Tipped TSX or LRX bullet, your rifle may prefer a bullet jump of anywhere between (a minimum of) .050” up to .250” or more. What is the difference between the TSX®, the TTSX® (Tipped TSX) and the LRX™ bullets? Then they ignore entirely that none of these bullets are suitable for 1,000 yard game hunting. Barnes recently published test results on their website at the following url: www.barnesbullets.com/information/bullet-talk/lab-tests/. I am not saying their results are fictitious as I have no evidence to suggest they are. Bryan found through his extensive testing that Barnes published BCs are typically 5% higher than actual. Barnes TSX, TTSX, and LRX share the same all-copper design resulting in virtually 100% weight retention. Hunters rely on bullet makers to provide products that work properly for their listed purpose. I encourage others to do this with their own software. You can test different seating depths and find a “sweet spot” that your particular firearm prefers. We appreciate your patience and continued support! Our bullets do not create an exit wound (exit wounds can occur depending on animal size and impact velocity) for the specific purpose of creating a blood trail so a hunter can track their wounded game. The result that Barnes publishes listing that their bullets shoot nearly half as small group sizes as Berger is an unusual result that many who have shot both brands will find hard to agree with. All Berger Hunting VLDs perform effectively at 1,800 fps impact velocity or faster. You do not have to seat the bullet at, or on one of the cannelure rings. Bergers do not act like Barnes or Swift or any other deep penetrating and high weight retaining bullet. Barnes’s Military Applications Barnes has set an industry standard for premium hunting bullets that yield match-grade accuracy for use. We make several bullets that are meant for target only. Barnes does state under each chart that “Berger bullets typically produce better accuracy when shot in a throat designed for VLD style bullets.” This indicates that even Barnes knows that their results are very unusual although we are not sure what they mean by “throat designed for VLD style bullets.” Barnes, the leader in bullet innovation offers hunters the ultimate in accuracy, terminal performance and handloaded precision in a factory loaded round. It needs a bit of jump to take the rifling without creating a pressure spike. Using the velocity Barnes listed for tests at 100 yards and the BC for each bullet you can determine the velocity from the muzzle all the way to 1,000 yards. To ignore this important aspect of a hunting bullet’s performance is “unethical and careless”. For this article I was able to use Bryan’s G1 BCs for all the bullets listed except for the Barnes 7mm 150 gr TTSX. If moose is on the menu, without question the Barnes LRX. Berger Hunting VLDs say “Hunting” on the label and the color of the box (blaze orange) makes the intended purpose of these bullets very clear even though the label also says Match Grade. $42.33. add to cart. Those animals that manage to stay on their feet after impact from a Berger Hunting VLD will not last long with this amount of internal destruction. This distance off the lands (rifling), aka "jump" may be limited to the rifles throat length, magazine length and bullet length. Hunting at these long ranges is ethical if the hunter uses the right bullet, is practiced using their gear and certain they will make the shot. Go to edit > preferences > categories: page display, In the rendering section, change the “Smooth Text” drop-down to “none”. The results from these comparisons are well known by most serious rifle shooters. This is something they have been doing for a long time. We also prefer that the animal die quickly with a minimal amount of needless suffering. On my chart, I list the yardage where each bullet’s velocity is slightly faster than 1,800 fps in the “Suggested Lethal Range” column. Based on the overwhelming number of positive feedback we are getting from hunters who already use them on game I can assure you that you will not be disappointed. This measurement is called the “rate of twist” and is expressed as a ratio, such as 1:7, which means the If you feel you need a deep penetrating, high weight retaining bullet to have the best experience then by all means please shoot Barnes or any of the many others brands that produce the same result. *NOTE – In response to this article, Barnes rewrote the introduction of their report to address some of these points. Any bullet maker can if they want to but they choose not too because either they don’t know how or it is easier to make bullets of less than Match Grade quality. 6th group- * see below. I'm like a kid with a new toy and having trouble sleeping. Barnes does state under each chart that “Berger bullets typically produce better accuracy when shot in a throat designed for VLD style bullets.” This indicates that even Barnes knows that their results are very unusual although we are not sure what they mean by “throat designed for VLD style bullets.” There are no throat designs made specifically for the VLD that I am aware of in any hunting or competition rifles that have proven to be more successful than typical throat configurations. For some hunters, long range hunting is done at 300 yards. Since Berger’s have the highest BCs among all bullets used for hunting we believe they are referring to hunters who are choosing Berger Hunting VLD and we couldn’t disagree more with their comment. Barnes marketing hype continues with the opinion that “a match bullet is designed to punch paper, NOT to take down big game at close or even longer distances.” To me this is one of the most ridiculous and insulting statements a bullet maker can say out loud to hunters. Barnes LRX bullets have been developed to match the advancements in rifle accuracy and extended-range optics. Not anymore! Not specifically the LRX, but my Yukon moose took 3 shots from a 300 WM using factory 180gr TTSX at 450 yards. Barnes LRX bullets have been developed to match the advancements in rifle accuracy and extended-range optics. Barnes have the added benefit of no lead fragments in my meat. For this bullet I used Barnes published BC of .450. This is why we say that “They won’t run away from a Berger.” Some might call this slogan marketing hype but it is in fact a brief description of the actual results you can depend on when using a Berger Hunting VLD. You can clearly see from Barnes’ images of their bone in ballistic gelatin that the Berger Hunting VLD penetrates through bone and then fragments into the area of the animal’s vital organs. This is likely due to the fact that Barnes’ BCs are tested over 300 yards; Bryan’s are tested over 600 yards. Barnes provided me with a dozen new .277 129gr LRX bullets to test! Barnes recommends.050 as a good starting point when working up a new load. You may find that you need to start at around 0.150” off the lands and are not able to get any closer due to limiting factors including proper neck tension and magazine length. Looking for some load data for the Barnes LRX 175 grainers. The LRX features a long profile and boattail design that delivers match-grade accuracy at long range with an incredibly high ballistic coefficient and terminal performance that delivers the quick, clean, ethical kills you've come to expect from Barnes. In these instances, it is not uncommon to find the best accuracy with a jump of .200” or more. This length can be determined by using a “Stoney Point Gauge” or other methods. Thankfully, jumping the LRX.020 to.10 inch tends to benefit accuracy. Instead of evolving, Barnes will stay focused on convincing hunters that their way is the best and only way hunting bullets should work. Instead they have proven with their test results why Berger Hunting VLDs work so well on game. Handloaded to a sizzling 3,200 fps, it’s flat and forgiving for shots inside a quarter-mile. I am referring specifically to the velocity shown for all the bullets listed under the 1,000 yard performance through bone into ballistic gelatin images. During this time of overwhelming demand, our team is doing everything possible to produce more bullets and ammo than ever before. If I'm using a cartridge that is of marginal size/energy for the game at hand (for instance big bull elk with a 6.5 Creedmoor), the Barnes is also the way to go. For others long range hunting is at 600 yards. They shot Berger, Nosler and Barnes bullets into bone encased in ballistic gelatin at impact velocities consistent with (according to Barnes) 100 yard and 1,000 yard shots using a 7mm WSM and a 300 Weatherby. Out of Stock. Barnes states that “not nearly enough focus is on the proper construction and function of the bullet.” The reality is most hunters don’t have the time, facilities or materials needed to focus their attention on the construction and function of hunting bullets. The LRX features a long profile and boattail design that delivers match-grade accuracy at long range with an incredibly high ballistic coefficient and terminal performance that delivers the quick, clean, ethical kills you’ve come to expect from Barnes. Out to 400 yds, I don't think you will notice a difference as (with Barnes factory load) velocity is still around 200fps with the TTSX. Hunters then use these bullets in the field and each product (like all products) develops a performance reputation. ATTENTION: New reloading data must be opened as a PDF document in an up-to-date compatible PDF viewer. First, they report impact velocities at 1,000 yards for all the bullets tested that are not safely achievable in the cartridges used. I believe that what Barnes wanted to say is “not nearly enough focus is on the proper construction and function of the (Barnes) bullet.”. The twist rate is measured by how many inches of bullet travel down the barrel it takes the rifling to twist the bullet one full turn. Phone: (435) 856-1000 FYI- An accurate load requires a bullet with the proper consistent case neck tension which leads to more constant pressures and velocities. We suggest working in at least .025” increments as follows seating the bullet deeper to allow a further jump. Gonna go look for some Varget and H4895 but I doubt ill get lucky finding any. They don’t want to consider that there are other ways hunting bullets can be successful. Data contained herein is intended for use by individuals who are familiar with correct and safe handloading practices and procedures. Berger Hunting VLDs are able to effectively reach farther than the other brands but even we don’t recommend game hunting at 1,000 yards. Barnes Bullets are known for their consistent accuracy. We understand that it is a very personal and frankly spiritual experience. Toll-Free: (800) 574-9200 Today we're testing the Barnes 139gr LRX out of my Remington 700 ADL with the Magpul Stock. I am only saying that it is inconsistent with typical results. Bullets from other manufacturers may not produce equivalent pressure or velocities; therefore, it is not recommended that this data be used with components When engineering its 6.5 PRC load, Barnes took a no-nonsense, no compromise approach and chose a bullet known for bone-breaking penetration, good aerodynamics, low-velocity expansion and superb accuracy. The most important regarding hunter safety is Barnes’ published 1,000 yard velocities. They display two charts listing group size for five groups; each group is made with five shots (similar to benchrest competitions with which we are very familiar at Berger). With Barnes’s LRX 7mm Rem Mag ammo, they hit a gelatin block at 1,000 yards and the bullet still expanded to 1.5 times its original diameter, an impressive feat. Personally, I believe that bullet makers who believe that hunters don’t want Match Grade quality in their hunting bullets are out of touch with the advancements in hunting rifle manufacturing quality. Third video in a series of leading manufacturers lead free hunting bullets.Barnes 127 gr LRX shot out of a 6.5 CreedmoorI was hoping for a better performance Remember there are many factors that may control or limit the seating depth for your application. You can clearly see that none of the bullets listed are going 1,800 fps or faster at 1,000 yards. If you appreciate the performance of the Barnes bullets – more than 90 percent weight retention and deep, deep penetration – combined with the best accuracy of the lot, try some LRXs and I’ll bet you’ll be happy. I still shake my head when I hear someone say “Match Grade bullets are for punching paper”. Bryan’s efforts have produced a wealth of information which will soon be available to all shooters in his book Applied Ballistics for Long Range Shooting. The LRX features a long profile and boattail design that delivers match-grade accuracy at long range with an incredibly high ballistic coefficient and terminal performance that delivers the quick, clean, ethical kills you've come to expect from Barnes. A bullet with a high BC provides a hunter with less drop and drift along with higher impact velocity. I encourage you to read their report before you continue reading this article. I try to keep my 175s in the 2750 range (Barnes load data with CFE 223 has a published max of 2728 in a compressed load) so I can get a bit further out. Results for {phrase} ({results_count} of {results_count_total}), Displaying {results_count} results of {results_count_total}. What I am saying is that “Hunting” and “Match Grade” can and do coexist. This action cuts through tissue (internal organs) and transfers the bullets energy as this fragmentation occurs. Game hunting is done by an individual or with a few close friends. They also list accuracy results which I will address later. Based on the results from their testing Barnes’ focus on 1,000 yards is frankly confusing. We understand that every hunt has the potential to be a once in a lifetime experience. The first one I’ll comment on is less scientific than it seems but can’t be called marketing hype since it is printed test result data and not an opinion. The extensive tissue and organ destruction along with higher levels of energy dumped into the internal tissue usually puts the animal immediately into shock which drops them in their tracks. Hours: Mon-Thurs 7:30am-5:00pm (MST) Based on the opening text at the top of the report it seems that Barnes is working to provide the hunter with reasons why he should use Barnes instead of Berger or Nosler. Long range hunting for most hunters is at a range less than 1,000 yards at which they know for sure they can make the shot. 7mm Rem Mag Barnes 139gr LRX Remington 700 Review Barnes 225gr XPB HP .44 Magnum Ruger Redhawk 2.5″ Cheap vs Expensive Hollow Points Episode 2: … If you understand how the Bergers work differently and this performance appeals to you then give the Berger Hunting VLD a try. This may not have been intentional but the results are dangerous. These velocities are not achievable using the velocities reported for the 100 yard gelatin test. Each hunter knows what type of experience they are looking for and each hunter should go into the field completely confident that their gear will get the job done the way they expect it to work. If you achieve the muzzle velocities needed to match their 100 yard reported velocities (which are hotter than most manuals list but are not out of reach by those who work up their loads safely) the point at which the bullet’s velocity falls below 1,800 fps is at distances less than 1,000 yards. *In rifles that have long throats you may be limited on how close you are able to get the bullet to the lands. A Berger Hunting VLD does not dump its energy into the ground or tree on the other side of the animal. In other words, Barnes published BCs may be perfectly accurate for the speed range they are tested, and the 5% discrepancy is likely due to the velocity dependence of BC. Barnes specializes in deep penetration and high weight retention bullets. Barnes goes further with science based inaccuracies with the velocities they publish. Contact them via email at customerservice@barnesbullets.com or by phone at 800.574.9200. Barnes’ tests proves why Berger Hunting VLDs are so successful. Quick View.270 Caliber 130 Grain TTSX Barnes #30276 . With both improved factory hunting rifles and the ever increasing number of custom built hunting rifles we are seeing Match quality performance becoming the expected result. Your test plan could look something like this: 1st group- .050” jump Barnes LRX bullets have been developed to match the advancements in rifle accuracy and extended-range optics. I was happy with the accuracy and knockdown power of the Federal Premium Barnes TSX ammo. When selecting the cartridge overall length (COAL) we recommend starting with a minimum “jump” of .050” off of the lands. I believe the LRX will expand down to lower velocities, making it more suited to longer range shots. There is no arguing that terminal performance is important however if you can’t put the bullet in the right spot construction means very little. Because it’s a dense bullet, the LRX shouldn’t be seated against the rifling. Before I get into that I must explain how I came to these conclusions. Team Berger Wins Desert Classic Invitational, Berger’s Bryan Litz and Emil Praslick on Guns Magazine Podcast, New 25 Caliber 133 Grain Elite Hunter Bullets, Berger Introduces New 223 Remington Ammunition, NEW! From the beginning we have promoted Berger Hunting VLD as an alternative option. Has no one ever considered that you can make hunting bullets using Match Grade quality materials, procedures and tolerance!? They are all too light and are going too slow for this application. More importantly, the muzzle velocities needed to achieve the reported 1,000 yard velocities are so high that they are at best not achievable at all and at worst extremely unsafe should a hunter attempt to achieve their published 1,000 yard velocities for any of the bullets listed. When the hydrostatic shock and the torn tissue (from the fragments) combine it creates a consistently lethal and larger wound cavity deep inside the animal’s vital organs area. bullet spins one full rotation in seven inches of barrel travel. ... .270 Caliber 129 Grain LRX Barnes #30262 . They say “Target” right on the label. Berger 25 Caliber 135 Grain Long Range Hybrid Target™ Bullets, Team Berger Shooter Wins Wisconsin Barrel Maker Classic. They quickly succumb to blood pressure loss and/or multiple organ failure. Using this data there are several facts that reveal themselves. 1. 4th group- .125” jump other than as listed. The chart below lists the data. So I must ask the question, based entirely on what Barnes’ report suggests, who is being unethical and careless? I have used both bullets in your op, and the Barnes LRX. In this case I left the BC at .450 since I do not have scientific evidence that this particular BC is incorrect. I had used it in the past, but since being discontinued in 2013, I forgot how deadly the bullet was on game. In truth, Barnes’ comments and test results have not been able to provide any factual evidence supporting their opinion that it is “unethical and careless” to choose the high BC, highly successful Berger Hunting VLD.
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